Warren Haynes' Emotional Look Back At The Allman Brothers

In this 2014 interview, Warren and I discussed his tenure with the band and why he and Derek Trucks decided to call it quits.

I interviewed Warren Haynes for The Wall Street Journal in March 2014, as the Allman Brothers Band were preparing to start what was supposed to be their final run at the Beacon Theatre. (Gregg’s illness caused them to cancel the last four shows and return in October for an actual final run.) With Warren and The Brothers back in the news after announcing two shows at MSG on April 15-16, it seemed like a good time to revisit the conversation. I am very proud to have gotten Jaimoe out of the house and back on stage with Friends Of The Brothers - and we have three more shows coming up with him.

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This is exactly how the interview ran in on The Wall Street Journal Online on March 6, 2014. I have not edited.

Guitarist Warren Haynes has been at the center of the Allman Brothers Band revival for most of the last 25 years. He was founding guitarist Dickey Betts's foil when the group reunited in 1989, before leaving with bassist Allen Woody in 1997 to focus on their band Gov't Mule. Haynes returned in 2000, providing much-needed credibility and stability after the Allman Brothers parted ways with Betts and Woody passed away.

He has been at the core of the band's sound ever since, teaming with Derek Trucks to form a powerful guitar front. In January, Haynes and Trucks jointly announced that they no longer intend to tour with the band after this year.

The group has not officially announced their plans beyond summer festival appearances, but 14 shows at New York's Beacon Theatre, March 7-29, will mark the beginning of the end of this lineup. Haynes discussed his decision and looked back at his own legacy with the Allman Brothers Band in this exclusive interview.

The announcement that you and Derek would be leaving the band at the end of the year surprised a lot of people. Why did you both feel it was so important to make a statement once rumors started circulating?

This is actually something that the whole band has been talking about for a few years now. Derek and I had been making plans based on the fact that the band was going to stop touring after the 45th anniversary. For several years we have thought about ourselves as a team. I don't think he wants to be here without me and I don't want to be here without him. I think this version of the band is that way in general, based on the initial chemistry that we had 14 years ago and that has continued to grow. Everybody adds so much in their own way to the big picture that I kind of look at as being a high water mark and a good place to stop.

Then I guess in some people's minds it wasn't quite as concrete as in other people's minds, but we felt like it was the right plan and we should all stick with it. Now Gregg's come out and said he thinks it's the right plan as well, so we'll see.

Derek and Warren at the final show, 10/28/14. Photo - Kirk West.

You've always seemed to thrive by juggling a lot of projects. So what's next?

It's true that being busy has never been an issue for me. Mule has a new record out [Shout!] that we're going to be continuing to promote for a long, long time and I have a lot of projects in the work: the Warren Haynes Band, a solo acoustic project and some other stuff in the works that I'm not quite ready to discuss.

I also have a two-and-a-half year old son that I'm very excited to spend more time with, albeit my schedule will remain very busy.

You've been called the guy who revitalized the Allman Brothers twice. How do you feel about that?

To whatever extent it's true, it's about the band being open to embracing new ideas and new blood and not expecting the new guys to keep quiet and play the old parts because a lot of bands wouldn't be capable of that. I think in the Allman Brothers, the musical equality on stage is so important that everyone understands that the only way the band is going to hit its stride and play to its potential is if everyone is equally engaged. They were very open from the very beginning to me singing, writing songs, contributing to arrangements - to anyone contributing ideas.

Do you feel any extra emotion heading into this run?

It hasn't really kicked in yet, but it will. I think the shows are going to be very emotional but really good.

You've played the Beacon over 300 times, with the Allman Brothers, Gov't Mule and Phil Lesh. No one knows the place better. Is there anything special about the room itself or is it all about the history the Allman Brothers have created there?

It's everything. The vibe at the Beacon has a lot to do with it being an old school theater and the way the energy feels coming from the audience to the stage. New York crowds are over the top and different than anywhere else, but the Beacon audiences exist on their own level, which I can't explain. Combine that with the fact all the original guys say it reminds them of the Fillmore East, where they had their greatest moments, and it all comes together into something very special.

Buildings from that era were all unique, with their own personality and sound. You have to adapt, but the Beacon is so very familiar. There's nothing else quite like the feeling I get when I walk on stage there and plug in. I don't spend as much time or energy adapting or thinking. I just start playing.

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How is playing an extended run different than touring? Does sleeping in the same bed every night impact the way you play?

I live here so it's easy for me, and being in one spot for a long time is a breath of fresh air compared to traditional touring, but by the time the run is over, we'll all be ready to move on to something different.

The crowd energy in an extended stay is also quite different compared to a one nighter. The audience is different every night, of course, but some of it is the same and that pushes us to play differently. I know it can sound esoteric, but the energy we get from the crowd fuels the music in a very real way. We know we have to keep it very high energy on a Saturday night. The middle of the week shows tend to be hardcore fans bound and determined to see the show even though they have to get up for work in the morning. They may not be as high energy but they're very focused and that can lead to a show that's a little more relaxed and jazzy or song-oriented rather than heavy jamming. If you were to take 10 Allman Brothers fans and ask what their ideal set list would be, you would get 10 completely different answers, so we can't worry about that too much.

The Beacon shows have become famous for guest sit-ins, peaking in 2009 for the 40th anniversary, with Eric Clapton, Billy Gibbons and many others. Does that put pressure on you now?

No, I don't feel pressure to make the 45th compete with the collaborations from the 40th. We worked very hard on that, figuring out months in advance who was going to sit and in some cases even what material they would play with us. This year will be a little more relaxed, figuring it out on a day-to-day, week-to-week basis There will be a lot of cool guests showing up, but it's not going to be as formalized as it was in '09.

Not only is it something I really enjoy, it makes each show stand out and have its own special quality - not just for the audience, but for the band as well. In order for us to enjoy 14 shows somewhat equally, they have to all be different and we have to be able to immerse ourselves.

What are your proudest moments in the Allman Brothers?

There are so many highlights that I couldn't list them all. The thing I'm most proud of is that we've been able to carry the mantle of a great tradition, revisit the band's concept and vision and in some ways carry it into the future. And it was never based on compromise or wondering what the public would expect from a commercial standpoint. It was based on trying to tap into the vision and proud tradition of the original band.

What was your most difficult moment?

When [bassist Allen] Woody and I left in '97 to concentrate on Gov't Mule, we had been procrastinating for quite a while. It's hard to leave an institution like the Allman Brothers, even though we knew it was the right thing to do. Getting there and actually doing it was very difficult.

Returning to the band in 2001 following Woody's death was the hardest thing for me emotionally. I was underneath a cloud of anguish that doesn't allow you to make decisions based on seeing the future as openly as you might otherwise. Woody and I had made our decision and were not looking back; the Allman Brothers era of my life was in the past and had he not passed away there would have been no reason to return.

I was faced with this decision about whether or not to continue with Gov't Mule, which was half Woody's vision, and just what to do with myself. When Gregg called and asked me to come back it was hard for me emotionally to realize that was something I had to at least consider. But when I came back in to the band was getting along great. The current state of affairs was a lot different, everyone was playing and singing great and it became much easier for my emotions to eventually settle down to where I could better process the situation.

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Watching the recently released Great Woods DVD and Play all Night Beacon CDs from 1991 and 1992, I was struck by how different the guitar roles were with you and Dickey Betts than they are with you and Derek. Have you reflected on that?

Yeah. I've been in an interesting position where my role as a guitar player has changed drastically. It was much more about complementing Dickey's musicality in the way that Duane Allman did. That had been Derek's role as well. So to be fair and just to make it interesting and shake it up, we decided to divide up our roles. I found myself sometimes playing with more of Dickey's influence than I ever would if I were playing with him.

That contrast is important to the band's sound, so Derek and I maintain it, but it's fluid as to who's playing which role and how much we're just flying by and being completely ourselves.

We're moment by moment deciding. I view it as a win-win situation where it can remain exciting, different and positive every night.

Do those switches just happen, or are you consciously thinking about them and discussing them?

It's more of a response. The best you can do onstage is not be thinking at all; that hopefully gets done offstage and when it's time to perform, you shut down the cerebral part of your brain and just play.

Can you imagine what your music would sound like today if you had never been in the Allman Brothers?

There's no way that I could possibly trace which path my playing would have taken had I not joined the Allman Brothers. It's just too intertwined. Who knows where I would have ended up.

The paperback edition of my fourth book, Brothers and Sisters: the Allman Brothers Band and The Album That Defined The 70s, was recently released by St. Martin’s Press. It was the third consecutive one to debut in the New York Times Non-Fiction Hardcover Bestsellers List, following Texas Flood: The Inside Story of Stevie Ray Vaughan and One Way Out: The Inside History of the Allman Brothers Band. My first book, Big in China: My Unlikely Adventures Raising a Family, Playing the Blues and Becoming a Star in Beijing, about my experiences raising a family in Beijing and touring China with a popular original blues band, was optioned for a movie by Ivan Reitman’s Montecito Productions. I am also a guitarist and singer with two bands, Big in China and Friends of the Brothers, the premier celebration of the Allman Brothers Band.